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[JuntaJoe]

The Constitution is clear.

You must be over 35 years of age and a natural born citizen to run for the office of president.


So this lifelong and still presently Democrat lawyer in Pennsylvania filed a federal lawsuit alleging that Obama has not proved his natural born status back in August.

Both Obama and the DNC have not provided the necessary proof as required by the federal court.

In that they did not respond the rule of law states that the dependent is presumed as admittedly guilty and also in contempt of court.

Obama's website refers to a poor copy of a short form birth certificate that he was born in Hawaii. By law that is NOT proof of birth status. It has to be the long form and municipally notarized as well to prove birth status.

http://obamacrimes.com/

[Che]

Give it rest... this was outed weeks ago.

The idiot that filed the suit has been exposed as a dumb-ass, with a long history of pulling stunts of this nature.

Just get use to it Joe.

The next prez is going to be Obama and you will have to live with it.

[Batchman]

We shall see.

So is Joe against Obama?

[bannie]

This is like when the Democrats here in Massachusetts tried to say Romney was ineligible to run for gov because he spent too much time in Salt Lake City running the Oylmpics and no longer was a resident of the State


Didn't work then, isn't going to work now. Considering how close the election is, they would have dug something like this up before the primary

[Che]

Quote: they would have dug something like this up before the primary

This was dug-up... several months ago.

It only has appeal to those that cannot stand the thought of
Obama as president.

These people would rather have a angry, senile, old white guy as prez :roll:

[JuntaJoe]

I seem to remember you wishing MCCain would be on the ballot in 2004, Che.

Something about him suddenly change? Or is it you?


A federal court is not a crank, btw. Refusing a federal court order is a defacto admission of guilt according to the law.

The court is still demanding the documents and Obama is still refusing to produce them.


This was tried against McCain because he was born in Panama. So he produced the documents that he was born on a US base, ergo US soil.

It would only take Obama to Fedex the legal document to the court and the case would would be tossed. Furthermore, the plaintiff could be liable for filing a frivolous lawsuit.

But this Democrat lawyer is still in good standing with the court for this case and Obama has refused a federal judge to produce a simple piece of paper.

Why? If it was so easy to smash this suit then why was it not done?


The DNC doesn't care either. If the court eventually rules Obama ineligible and Obama gets impeached then Biden is in due to Constitutional succession. All the DNC has to do is make it to the election without an injunction.


Btw, I resent the implication I'm racist, Che.

Exactly where in my past have I ever shown those tendencies online?

Furthermore, I vote for Rodney Ellis for state senator every time. He's a black democrat. But when the other Dems ran for Oklahoma and New Mexico, he stayed on the job and worked to make a compromise. He also takes care of his constituency and is tough on crime.

That's good enough for me.

But Obama is no Rodney Ellis.


I don't like Obama because he's extremely liberal. I don't like him because he's never actually done anything in life other than run for the next higher office. I want someone who has shown they will actually work.

Actually, I'm not fond of McCain either. He's also too liberal, imo.

So it's not that I want the "old white guy" at all.


I want the other "old white guy". Bob Barr.

[Batchman]

I just found it interesting that, on this site, which I find to be fairly political quite frequently. This is the first time I have noticed much of anything posted about this years' election.

[JuntaJoe]

It's politically active because I tend to be active.

Up until now I've kept my trap shut. Rolled my eyes a lot, but I've kept a lid on my opinions.

But this issue is beyond the pale. One Fedex shipment sometime in the last couple months by anyone in charge of details at the Obama camp and it goes away. It went away for McCain when the Dems tried it on him because of his Panama birth, but McCain sent the right documents pronto to nip that in the bud.

Actually, what really irks me is the media blocking this and so many other issues brought up. The damn cult of personality and guilt trip game has everyone in the media refusing to dig hard on Obama.

They have dug hard on absolutely everyone else since Nixon. All the presidents and challengers have felt the heat. Sure, I would contend they are a bit harsher on right wingers, but they still took a hard look at least at everyone else.



What I see as downright idiotic is the Clinton stance. Obama gets elected and Hillary cannot run for 8 years because incumbents don't get seriously challenged by their own party. But if McCain wins and faces the war and economic crisis then Hillary gets a solid shot at McCain in 2012. Obama won't be in the way either. The main contender never runs again. Only those that fell short in earlier primaries.

Furthermore, if McCain wins then Bill remains the leader of the Democratic party as the last president from their party. Obama wins and he's dumped into elder statesman status.

Honestly, I'd take Hillary over Obama any day. She'd be a socialist, but she's a realist too and a solid hawk in foreign affairs.

The Clintons should have gutted Obama like a fish back in the spring. Pulled out the stops and dug up every shaky bone they could find. Kept on doing it too even if Obama pulled it out. Cause a schism in the DNC, put Howard Dean to the curb, and rebuilt the party as more centrist appearing, like Bill did so effectively in the 90s. Senior Dems would have backed their play and stood ready for 2012 after the media had torn McCain apart for 4 years of war and bad economics.

Obama wins and you can put a fork in the Clintons. They are officially done.

[Che]

If this was the McCain of 2000/2001, or even 2004, he would probably have my vote.

The current McCain, an erratic and hate-filled old man, is not the McCain that I once respected.

Then, he picked that over-age bimbo, Sarah Palin, as is running mate.

This caused the few shreds of respect that I had left... to flee screaming WHY, WHY, WHY :sick:

Just like I put up with the arch-traitor and dumb-ass, George Bush, for 8 years... you will have to live with Obama for 8 years.

The pendulum has swing and neo-con politics are dead.

[JuntaJoe]

Over age bimbo? You mean she got elected governor because she looks good?

Looking good is a definite negative trait to run for office?

Oh wait, don't tell that to the Obama lust crowd. Clinton cashed that check too.



As for hate filled and erratic, Obama has his own attack machine running and you can get any given answer out of him on any given day. He's been all over the map on just about every issue other than wealth redistribution, which Biden referred to as a "patriotic duty".

It seems to me that when McCain was attacking Bush in earlier elections then he was a valiant fighter for the centrist cause for you, but when he goes after a democrat then he's hate filled, am I right?


McCain hasn't changed. Only the roles have. McCain has been fiery and temperamental since he was a young man. Long before he ever considered running for the presidency he was known for slamming people on the senate floor.

Now that the roles have switched you perceive him as a Bush clone. Yet this is a man who has shown opposite tendencies on both fiscal policy and social mores than Bush. Bush spends like a liberal and proclaims moral conservatism. McCain is a fiscal hawk and has shown repeatedly he doesn't have Baptist preacher opinions.

Other than on foreign policy, Bush and McCain are virtually polar opposites!


Vote for Obama, for all I care, Che, but take the blinders off.

Sounds like you are simply voting against Bush here.


Too bad. Bush bagged his 8 years. So did Clinton for that matter. They won the brass ring and never lost it. So get over it already. Can't change a damn thing other than your blood pressure.

But voting as a form of revenge is preposterous and not exactly doing your civic duty. The goal of voting is to put the best man in the job. Forget yesterday, it's gone. Vote someone in who will get the job done and honor the Constitution.

Obama sure won't. Of the few pieces of actual legislation he has worked on in his political career, the most notable are several gun bans.


You should be voting for Barr, Che, not Obama. A Libertarian stays out of your wallet, bedroom, and gun case. Sure, we all know Barr won't win, but until we begin "wasting" votes on Libertarians they won't get the traction they need.

[Che]

I have never denied, and frequently stated , that I'm an ABAR (Anything But A Republican).

The Republican Party has betrayed and almost destroyed the US.

If it was up to me, Madame Guillotine would be touring the nation... giving the Republican traitors what they deserve.

[broomdalf]

Looking back at the job that Pelosi and her cronies have been wrecking since wrestling control from those "corrupt republicans," I can hardly see how this is a unilateral betrayal. Is the deficit really decreasing? Is our freedom really improving? Are we really ending the culture of earmarking and lobbyist corruption and cleaning up Washington, or even making an attempt to?

In terms of structure and whoring themselves out to get the vote, I have seen nothing different that the current batch of Democrats in charge have done to be better than the Neocons that have preceded them.

And we sure as hell aren't going to get them reformed by a rank-and-file, highly liberal, idealistic poster-child of inexperience in negotiation.

While there are certainly areas in which McCain has been weak, including bringing in Palin so early in her career (But, honestly, how much less experience does she have then Obama), and pandering to the conservative base lately on issues such as abortion, he has a strong history of fighting the corruption in Congress, as well as in looking across the aisle to get important things done. We need a curmudgeonly, angry, old man if we're going to stand up to the monster of corruption that the House and Senate have become...

[JuntaJoe]

Broomdalf is right, Che.

We would not be in this financial crisis without the Democrats creating Fannie and Freddie and ordering them to take risky loans to be covered by the government. Now that the bill has come due on that monstrosity somehow it's getting turned around and pointed at the Republicans.

The neocons have done the same thing as the dems. Quit sainting one group because the other is bad. There is plenty of guilt to be shared in all this.

If the republicans have ruined our country then so have the democrats. Congress holds the purse strings and the dems have had control of that place for the lion's share of the last 50 years. When the Republicans had control for a short period they never had a true majority except for a couple years under Clinton. Hell, that group and Clinton managed to get things done right!


Far be it from me to try to convert you, Che. But ABAR is wrong thinking. You have to include all the guilty parties here. When you do that you are forced into ABA (Anyone but Anyone) or looking at an outside group.

I'm not defending McCain to get you to convert (convert back, I might add) to his cause. I'm merely pointing out the limitations on your current stance. You are raising one group up because of your rage at the other. That doesn't work if both groups are guilty. All you do is let another fox into the hen house while you chase the first one.

Examine your rage and be fair about it. Dump the reactive stance and think proactively. Didn't 'Nam teach you not to focus on a single attack on your perimeter? Sure, send a response to the attack, but watch the entire wireline and keep a fallback plan and a reserve. When you realize you are being hit from too many angles then fall back and call FPF.

Obama will give you no better than McCain. Maybe worse. Accept that and "waste" your vote on Barr to start giving that group some traction finally.

Remember that both of us are in Texas. This isn't a battleground state. McCain is going to win here no matter your vote or mine. Voting Obama doesn't make a protest here or is decisive, like it would be in Ohio. Voting McCain doesn't increase McCain's chances of winning in another state.

But a vote for Barr adds to the numbers. At a certain amount of votes they get federal election funding in the next election. Voting Barr now has the potential to make 2012 a working election for the Libertarians. They need the money to compete.

Think about what I just said, Che. Drop the emotion you are feeling and think it through.

Otherwise you might spend the rest of your life hunkered down behind the wire waiting for the next attack to come. That's no way to live your whole life. Once was plenty for me.

[Batchman]

And I've got to tread carefully here, because, though I kind of like Che (kind of because I don't really know him all that well, so I can't do more than kind of like him), it sounds like hanging around him just might cost me my head.

Because while I am not actually all that for the Republicans, I am majorly bigtime against the Democrats. (And I know, Che is not especially big on the Democrats ... he might let me survive ... I'm just a little nervous now.)

Have I mentioned anything about politics in this country getting too divisive? Oh well, just a couple of weeks, and we'll find out just how bad the next four year will be.

[Che]

Quote: it sounds like hanging around him just might cost me my head.



What makes you say that :twisted: :P

[Batchman]

Batchman whimpers and hides in a corner.

[JuntaJoe]

Relax Batch. Che barks a lot, but he only bites if you try to grab his food bowl. ;)

[broomdalf]

Plus, from the looks of those heads, he's only bitten off a basketful of heads in the last couple centuries.

[Che]

le belle Madame Guillotine is reserved for special people.

Normally, I resort to a "group participation" method...

[Maus]

What disturbs me is that both McCain and Obama have spent the past months constantly going on about showing the country their "nude erection" :shock: